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Poster: turnphilup Date: Oct 17, 2011 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Grateful Dan

I think they could have nailed "Black Friday" to end a show.
Black Friday>OMSN E:Sampson
Any other Steely Dead tunes you think they could have covered?
Peace

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Oct 17, 2011 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

I think that if they rehearsed a little bit, they could pull off any rock song by any band. If they just came out and randomly decided to try one, it wouldn't have worked. That type of spontaneity was NOT their strong suit.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 19, 2011 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

everybody's missing the obvious - Kid Charlemange

and Tell - I love ya man but it appears you never grew out of your closemindedness in music from when you were young. Oh well to each their own

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 19, 2011 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

I've been telling Les he should play KC for about 20 years. He laughs and says "some day".

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 19, 2011 3:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

it was cool seeing him in the Rush documentary. Somehow I don't see you as a fan but it was cool to see him and a lot of heavies pay their respects

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 19, 2011 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

of Rush or Les? I like both, but am not a huge fan. I know Les b/c my pal managed him for more than a quarter of a century. That said, both live slay and it was cool seeing Primus open for Public Enemy during the Oakland hill fires at Kaiser and then not more than a handful of weeks later seeing them open for Rush and then soon thereafter seeing then with Fisbhone (all in about a 3 to 4 month period) - not many other bands crossed over audiences like that.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 19, 2011 3:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

No I meant Rush. I thought you were already a huge Les fan. The documentary is really cool. Brought me back to my JR High school days when Rush was huge. It was cool to see this band only nerds love being talked highly about by some real hard rock heavy weights - Les, Guys from Pantera, Kirk Hammett, Billy Corgan, and more. Not really a fan of that stuff but it was cool. Also, the documentary focuses way more on the band before they went all wimpy boring synthesizer, you know when they played the hard to play stuff

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 17, 2011 8:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

I am once again amazed at the love for a band we loathed in the Bay Area in the early 70s...I don't doubt their tech abilities and such, but pure anti-establishment, anti-pop success mandated they were a band to hate for us defenders of the DEAD at that time and place. Ironically, we interacted with three different members/former members of the band in 74 and 75 while touring the small clubs in the Bay Area with our DEAD cover band, and they all had major issues while performing live, as I guess you all allude to...we thought "how did these guys become so famous?" Don't ask--I have no idea which ones they were, but everyone else in the clubs (keystone, longbranch, etc) was asking for autographs, etc.

Can you really imagine a band with our outlook/style doing a song like "ricky don't lose that number"? There's someting wrong with even considering that...

Sorry, my usual snobbery showing through. I admit freely that looking back it had no basis in objective assessment of musical ability, but you simply knew they were on the "other side" of the "line" (if you follow) from our band, the DEAD.

I really am as narrow minded on such matters as it seems--but that was my pt the other day...in the early days of the DEAD in the Bay ARea you really were supporting the outcasts, and as fanatics, it left little room for anything else.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Oct 18, 2011 1:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

Having seen them on the Pretzel Logic tour, I can confirm that they had no issues at all playing live.

The contrary in fact.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 18, 2011 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

Ah, well--that may be the appearance; they talked about having serious stage fright, etc., etc. They disliked playing live, etc., at least at this time. But, these were at least 2 "former" members, so who knows if it's true...

Didn't mean to imply they got up and couldn't do it, it was that they didn't esp like too...do you--or others--know anything about the band members? Presumably they talked about this sort of thing at one pt.?

But, I may have gotten "rumors" and "slander" given the context...One, though, literally said "I have to go throw up" before going on regularly, according to my recollection.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Oct 18, 2011 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

Well Will, I don't 'know', but there were plenty of rumours at the time about that particular tour having more than its fair share of bickering, fights and general bust-ups.

Of course, it was after that tour that Jeff Baxter parted company with the band.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 17, 2011 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

I think the Grateful Dead would have been utter crap at doing Steely Dan tunes. It would be like sending a fish up a tree to pick bananas.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 17, 2011 2:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

I have to agree. The Dead could cover a vast amount of musical territory, but Steely Dan is too...idk the word...perfect sounding?

out of all the band members i think bk would be best suited for steely tunes.

edit: phil would be able to keep up the with the dan too

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-10-17 21:17:32

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 17, 2011 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

Phil's very good at what he does, but Becker and Fagen wouldn't even let him out of the rehearsal room. Bill, maybe...

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Oct 17, 2011 2:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

No way, Phil couldn't fill Chuck Rainey's boots.

I think Jerry could have acquitted himself on some of their tunes tho', as well as Billy K.

Donald Fagen would blow Brent and Keith away on piano in my opinion, so no prize for them either.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 17, 2011 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

pig could easily replace fagen.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Oct 18, 2011 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

I don't think so.

Pig did some 'stuff' on the organ, I have not heard him play the piano on any Dead numbers. He may have done, but it wasn't exactly his forte (excuse the pun).

He's not even in the same league as Keith or Brent, never mind Donald Fagen.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 18, 2011 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

that statement was meant as a joke. pig was well suited for the experimental, bluesy, psychedelic, and sometimes sloppy music he played with the early Dead. but pig wouldn't be allowed to sit in with steely dan probably based on looks alone, never mind his very subpar technical skills as a pianist. i honestly can't even see jerry pulling off steely dan. they weren't meant to though, but it's a fun discussion topic nonetheless.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Oct 18, 2011 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

Sorry, I missed the irony in your post. My mistake.

Have a listen to some of Jerry's more jazzier solo stuff e.g. circa Legion Of Mary or Reconstruction.
I think he might have just got by and in my opinion could have certainly given Jeff Baxter a run for his money.

But certainly, he is no Larry Carlton or Jon Herington.

One things for sure though, the Dead's vocal abilities would never have cut it.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 17, 2011 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

Jerry, Phil and Billy could handle SteelyD covers easily...well covers isn't the correct term, they would've plated SD GD stlye.

As for the others, not so much. On keyboards,Tom C. would've come the closest.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 17, 2011 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

Dan done Dead would be a disaster.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 17, 2011 3:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

You don't think Bobby could pull off "Do It Again"? He was/is a pretty good cowboy singer...sometimes

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 17, 2011 4:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

In a word, no.

And Do It Again might pull a cowboy trope or two but that doesn't make it a cowboy song, young Billy.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 17, 2011 6:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

rob I had no idea you were such a Steely Dan fan. To be honest, I like most of their stuff too. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on "the boys" covering SD. From a talent standpoint, I stand by my assumption that Jerry, Billy Phil and Tom could've pulled it off. However, from a stylistic standpoint, I don't really think they would've tried it. But we can agree on Bobby not being up to "Do It Again". War, on the other hand, would own that tune.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Oct 18, 2011 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

"Own that tune" ?

Have you been watching Simon Cowell in Pop Idol / American Idol / X Factor perchance ?

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 18, 2011 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

In a word, "No." Though Simon's acerbic wit is somewhat legendary among the "televisionistas", I cannot be counted among the faithful when it comes to his "talent show" vehicles.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 28, 2011 11:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan - light up or leave me alone

http://www.jambands.com/news/2011/10/28/steve-winwood-sings-pretzel-logic-with-steely-dan/

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 17, 2011 2:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

Fagen w/ Brent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnn6wqNDJTo

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 17, 2011 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

I loved when Fagen did that at last year's Mountain Jam as part of the huge ensemble playing for Levon Helm's birthday.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Oct 17, 2011 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

now thats very cool!!!!

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Oct 17, 2011 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

That's Michael McDonald !

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 17, 2011 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

The difference b/w the two? Ever see them at the same time? Who other than MM could have written "Never Trust A Woman"?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 17, 2011 2:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

But the vice would very much not be versa.

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Oct 17, 2011 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Little Grateful Dan

hahaha

Thought you were referring to this Gem

http://www.archive.org/details/little_grateful_dan

"The song is actually about a guy who lost it at a Floyd show and became a deadhead."

Reviewed by Rasta way back in 08

Reviewer: rastamon - 5.00 out of 5 stars - August 30, 2008
Subject: it's all too much
fuckin fuuny!

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 18, 2011 7:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Grateful Dan

Didn't we have a The Maykers Troll at one time? Seems like it was a coupla years back. Can't remember the name but I guess that's just as well.

TOOTMO

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Poster: jgIynn1.2 Date: Oct 18, 2011 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Grateful Dan

Yes we did.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 19, 2011 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Little Grateful Dan

and it was kewl

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Poster: Space Jogger Date: Oct 17, 2011 4:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

I could see the Dead pulling off a nice 'Hey 19'. Brent on vocals would be awesome....

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Oct 18, 2011 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Grateful Dan

Brent doing FM maybe?